22 AUG 18
CITY OF JACKSONVILLE
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
AUGUST 18, 2022
6:00 P.M. – 6:59 P.M.
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING - CITY HALL - #1 MUNICIPAL DRIVE
The City Council of the City of Jacksonville, Arkansas met in a regular
session on August 18, 2022 at the regular meeting place of the City Council.
Jeff Elmore delivered the invocation and Mayor Johnson led a standing
audience in the “Pledge of Allegiance” to the flag.
ROLL CALL: City Council Members: Dietz, Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn,
Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains answered ROLL CALL. Mayor Johnson also
answered ROLL CALL declaring a quorum. PRESENT NINE (9) ABSENT (1). Council
Member Bolden was absent.
Others present for the meeting were: City Attorney Stephanie Friedman, Public
Works Director Jim Oakley, Finance Director Cheryl Erkel, Parks and
Recreation Director Kevin House, Police Chief Brett Hibbs, Fire Chief Alan
Laughy, City Engineer Adam Whitlow, IT Director Emily Osment, Jim Moore, Jeff
Elmore, Johnny Norton, and Debbie Fulton.
PRESENTATION OF MINUTES: Mayor Johnson presented the minutes of the regularly
scheduled City Council meeting of July 21, 2022 for approval and/or correction
at the next regularly scheduled City Council meeting.
APPROVAL AND/OR CORRECTION OF MINUTES:
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Twitty that the minutes
of the regularly scheduled City Council meeting of July 7, 2022 be APPROVED.
MOTION CARRIED.
CONSENT AGENDA: REGULAR MONTHLY REPORT/ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to approve the
regular monthly report for July 2022.
JULY
PERMITS/LICENSE ISSUED INSPECTIONS PERFORMED
Building Permits 19 Building Inspections 46
Business License Electrical 41
Plumbing 32
HVACR 11
REGULAR MONTHLY REPORT/FIRE DEPARTMENT
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to approve the
regular monthly report for July 2022 from the Jacksonville Fire Department,
reflecting a fire loss of $37,000.00 and a savings total of $1,655,000.00.
REGULAR MONTHLY REPORT/POLICE DEPARTMENT
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to approve the
Regular Monthly Report for July 2022 regarding annual crime statistical
comparisons.
REGULAR MONTHLY REPORT/CODE ENFORCEMENT
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to approve the
regular monthly report as presented for July 2022.
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Assigned Calls 125
Self-Initiated Calls 203
Follow Ups 186 Apartment Complexes Inspected 0
Three Day Notices 65 Red Tags Issued 7
Seven Day Letters 256 Search Warrants 2
Citations Issued 13 Rehabbed Structures 0
Vehicles Tagged 65 Structures Condemned 0
Vehicles Towed 12 Demolition by City 0
Garbage Cans Tagged 1 Demolition by Owner 0
Basketball Goals 3 Parking Violations 0
Structures Inspected 328 Grass Mowed 102
REGULAR MONTHLY REPORT/ANIMAL CONTROL
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to approve the
regular monthly report for July 2022.
ADOPTION FEES $ 0.00
SPAY/NEUTER FOR ADOPTED DOGS 0.00
FINES 1,609.00
CONTRIBUTIONS 150.00
TOTALS $ 1,759.00
ROLL CALL: Council Member: Dietz, Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor,
Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. MOTION CARRIED.
WATER DEPARTMENT:
WASTEWATER DEPARTMENTS:
FIRE DEPARTMENT:
STREET DEPARTMENT:
POLICE DEPARTMENT:
SANITATION DEPARTMENT:
PARKS & RECREATION:
PLANNING COMMISSION: a. ORDINANCE 1700 (#19-2022)
AN ORDINANCE RECLASSIFYING PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS
(10000 SOUTH HIGHWAY 161); AMENDING ORDINANCE NOS. 213 AND 238 AND THE LAND
USE MAP OF THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS; DECLARING AN EMERGENCY; AND,
FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
Council Member Sansing moved, seconded by Council Member Ray to place
Ordinance 1700 on FIRST READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins,
Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. (0)
voted NAY. MOTION CARRIED. Whereupon City Attorney Friedman read the heading
of Ordinance 1700.
Council Member Dietz related this property is located in a mixed zoning area,
detailing how there was a trailer park beside it, along with an auto part
business there previously. He explained how the buyers decided they would
like to construct a single-family residence. He stated it would the best use
for the property rather than having it vacant waiting for commercial.
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Mayor Johnson confirmed it is the vacant lot around the corner of Highway 161
and Burroughs Road that has been vacant for a long time.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to APPROVE
Ordinance 1700 on FIRST READING and SUSPEND THE RULES and place Ordinance
1700 on SECOND READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins, Sansing,
Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. MOTION CARRIED.
Council Member Twitty moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to APPROVE
Ordinance 1700 on SECOND READING and SUSPEND THE RULES and place Ordinance
1700 on THIRD AND FINAL READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins,
Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. MOTION
CARRIED.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to APPROVE AND
ADOPT Ordinance 1700 in its entirety. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz,
Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE.
MOTION CARRIED.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing that the
EMERGENCY CLAUSE be approved and adopted. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz,
Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE.
MOTION CARRIED.
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ORDINANCE 1700 (#19-2022) APPROVED AND ADOPTED THIS 18 DAY OF AUGUST, 2022.
b. ORDINANCE 1701 (#20-2022)
AN ORDINANCE RECLASSIFYING PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS
(721 AND 723 SMART STREET) AMENDING ORDINANCE NOS. 213 AND 238 AND THE LAND
USE MAP OF THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS; DECLARING AN EMERGENCY; AND,
FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to place
Ordinance 1701 on FIRST READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins,
Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. (0)
voted NAY. MOTION CARRIED. Whereupon City Attorney Friedman read the heading
of Ordinance 1701.
Council Member Dietz explained this is a duplex that should have already been
zoned R-2, pointing out everything around it are duplexes. He related it has
been completely remodeled and the mortgage and title company would not
approve financing without it being reclassified to R-2 because it did not
conform to theirs, or the City’s, rules and regulations. He affirmed this
would reclassify the property to what it should have been. He answered there
was already a duplex on the property when Mayor Johnson asked.
Council Member Sansing noted the property had a variance for the last 25
years.
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Council Member Dietz affirmed the owners have remodeled it completely,
resulting in it looking really good and upgraded to where anyone would be
proud to live there. In response to a question from Council Member Traylor,
he answered that there are duplexes on either side of the property and those
are zoned R-2.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to APPROVE
Ordinance 1701 on FIRST READING and SUSPEND THE RULES and place Ordinance
1701 on SECOND READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins, Sansing,
Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. MOTION CARRIED.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to APPROVE
Ordinance 1701 on SECOND READING and SUSPEND THE RULES and place Ordinance
1701 on THIRD AND FINAL READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins,
Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. MOTION
CARRIED.
Council Member Sansing moved, seconded by Council Member Ray to APPROVE AND
ADOPT Ordinance 1701 in its entirety. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz,
Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE.
MOTION CARRIED.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing that the
EMERGENCY CLAUSE be approved and adopted. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz,
Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE.
MOTION CARRIED.
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ORDINANCE 1701 (#20-2022) APPROVED AND ADOPTED THIS 18 DAY OF AUGUST, 2022.
c. ORDINANCE 1702 (#21-2022)
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING PREVIOUS JACKSONVILLE CITY ORDINANCE 1611 (#18-2019),
RECLASSIFYING PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS (1900 GENERAL
SAMUELS) AMENDING ORDINANCE NOS. 213 AND 238, AND THE LAND USE MAP OF THE
CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS; DECLARING AN EMERGENCY; AND, FOR OTHER
PURPOSES.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Mashburn to place
Ordinance 1702 on FIRST READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins,
Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. (0)
voted NAY. MOTION CARRIED. Whereupon City Attorney Friedman read the heading
of Ordinance 1702.
Mayor Johnson reminded the City Council this is where Christopher Homes is
going, but in the process of preparing to sell this property they discovered
the paperwork had the wrong legal description, so this corrects the legal.
City Attorney Friedman clarified that Christopher Homes gave the City the
wrong legal description.
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Council Member Twitty confirmed even with the legal description correction
the purchase price has not changed; it is still $10,000.00 per acre.
Mayor Johnson concurred, affirming the price is still $10,000.00 per acre,
noting nothing has changed.
Council Member Sansing moved, seconded by Council Member Mashburn to APPROVE
Ordinance 1702 on FIRST READING and SUSPEND THE RULES and place Ordinance
1702 on SECOND READING. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins, Sansing,
Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. MOTION CARRIED.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to APPROVE
Ordinance 1702 on SECOND READING and SUSPEND THE RULES and place Ordinance
1702 on THIRD AND FINAL READING.
In response to a question from Council Member Traylor, Mayor Johnson
responded that the property is located on General Samuels close to Motor Pro
and Arkansas Office Products, catty cornered toward Arkansas Federal Credit
Union.
ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz, Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor,
Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE. MOTION CARRIED.
Council Member Twitty moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to APPROVE
AND ADOPT Ordinance 1702 in its entirety. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz,
Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE.
MOTION CARRIED.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Mashburn that the
EMERGENCY CLAUSE be approved and adopted. ROLL CALL: Council Member Dietz,
Blevins, Sansing, Ray, Mashburn, Traylor, Twitty, Smith, and Rains voted AYE.
MOTION CARRIED.
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ORDINANCE 1702 (#21-2022) APPROVED AND ADOPTED THIS 18 DAY OF AUGUST, 2022.
COMMITTEE(S):
GENERAL: a. RESOLUTION 818 (#03-2022)
A RESOLUTION AMENDING RESOLUTION 785 (#08-2019) IN SUPPORT OF AND AUTHORIZING
EXECUTION OF SALE DOCUMENTS FROM THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE FOR CERTAIN REAL
PROPERTY DESCRIBED HEREIN (GENERAL LOCATION – 1900 GENERAL SAMUELS); AND, FOR
OTHER PURPOSES.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Sansing to read
Resolution 818 (#03-2022). MOTION CARRIED. Whereupon City Attorney Friedman
read the heading of Resolution 818 (#03-2022).
Mayor Johnson stated this Resolution would allow the City to sell the lot to
Christopher Homes at $10,000.00 per acre with the amended legal description.
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Council Member Blevins requested that the price be put in the Resolution
because there is nothing that says it is $10,000.00 per acre.
City Attorney Friedman replied that she could amend to include the price.
Mayor Johnson noted that the lot is 2.1 acres.
Council Member Blevins asked if Christopher Homes amended that because when
they first came to Council it was 2.9 acres.
Mayor Johnson confirmed they amended it to be 2.1 acres and now they are
going into agreement to sell it for $10,000.00 per acre.
City Attorney Friedman concurred, adding they gave the City the original
legal description with 2.9 acres, but the contract presented to the City
stated 2.1 acres, so they are going back to change both the rezoning and
Resolution authorizing to sell.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Mashburn to adopt
Resolution 818 (#03-2022) in its entirety. MOTION CARRIED.
b. RESOLUTION 819 (#04-2022)
A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF SALE DOCUMENTS FROM
THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE FOR CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY DESCRIBED HEREIN (GENERAL
LOCATION – 106 JAXON CIRCLE) AND, FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Mashburn to read
Resolution 819. MOTION CARRIED. Whereupon City Attorney Friedman read the
heading of Resolution 819 (#04-2022).
Mayor Johnson reminded that the couple purchasing the property came before
Council previously, explaining they own property adjacent to this city-owned
lot and the City agreed to sell it to them. He explained this is a Resolution
allowing the City to enter into a sale agreement.
Council Member Ray moved, seconded by Council Member Mashburn to adopt
Resolution 819 (#04-2022) in its entirety. MOTION CARRIED.
c. INTRODUCTION of Chamber of Commerce Director Kathy Perez and Economic
Developer Paul Harvel
Council Member Twitty introduced the current Chairman of the Board for
Jacksonville Chamber of Commerce Dustin Cole.
Mr. Cole stated they have some exciting changes at the Chamber, pointing out
they had struggled a bit over the last few years without solid leadership. He
explained that Larry Wilson introduced them to Paul Harvel a few months ago,
noting Mr. Harvel’s experience in reclamation projects for Chambers around
Arkansas and the Country. He shared that Mr. Harvel has said he is willing to
take this opportunity to help the Jacksonville Chamber. He recalled they
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gladly accepted and he is now the new President of the Chamber, along with
being the Director of Economic Development, which is the majority of his
background. He related that Kathy Perez came to them from the Little Rock
Chamber, and is a long time Jacksonville resident. He stated that he believes
we will see some positive momentum, adding they already have a lot built on
the Board and everyone is excited by things that Mr. Harvel is going to bring
to the Chamber. He affirmed that they want to make sure the relationship
between the City and Chamber is strong as it is certainly needed to go where
they are aiming to go.
Mr. Harvel introduced himself to the City Council, noting he has worked in
Chamber Economic Development for 55 years. He related that his alma mater is
the Little Rock Chamber where he started as an Economic Development Director.
He detailed how he ran it for 22 years resulting in a total of 29 years with
them. He shared that when he was with the Little Rock Chamber, he interviewed
Kathy Perez and hired her, so it looks like they are doing it again. He
related one important thing in all communities that he would like to do are
leadership programs. He explained that when he ran the Little Rock Chamber
years ago, he told them he would only do it if he could start Leadership
Little Rock, adding that today there are over 2,000 alumni of the program. He
related that when you see the elections they have run, Alltel Arena, the
Convention Center, and downtown; the Leadership group is the group that made
them happen. He stated that he believes in leadership groups, further
explaining after being there for 22 years, the State Chamber was having
difficulties and asked if he would come run it. He recalled that he told them
he would do it on one condition; if he could start something called
Leadership Arkansas. He noted Jacksonville has never had a leadership
program, adding that the Chamber has voted to start one. He stated they named
it Jacksonville Leadership Academy Class 1 and they will make it work since
it will be good for the community. He affirmed if you look down the line 8-10
years from now, you will see people who are involved in things, assuring that
it works. He then passed out handouts, instructing Council to look on the
first page where it mentions Economic Development return on investment. He
noted they will see Russellville mentioned on these since he just came from
there and told how it is his work that he left with them since they adopted
all of it. He shared that he served 5 years with them, enjoyed it a lot, and
hired his replacement in January. He pointed out that Economic Development is
not what it used to be when it was just finding a piece of land, getting
someone interested in your community, get them to move there, and hire them
to go to work. He related that is only one part of it. He explained how they
spent $253,000.00 on new and existing industries and $183,000.00 on quality
of place, noting that people look at quality of place as much as they look at
anything today with it consisting of what a community is like, what your
parks look like, etc. He mentioned Workforce Development and explained how
they had a Request for Information (RFO) last week from the State, Metro
Little Rock Alliance that asked what type of Workforce Development they had
in place that everyone is supporting. He admitted they will need to do some
work on that since people are asking for it. He mentioned Leadership
Development, pointing out that people are also interested in what cities are
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going to be doing with their town, what they have in place for future
leaders, and so forth. He related that retail is a part of economic
development, referencing a publication he put together previously to hand out
to retailers, hotels, and restaurants at retail shows. He explained he would
be doing a map similar to the one in the handout of Jacksonville’s region,
Metro Little Rock, that consists of approximately 1,100,000 people in an
approximately fifty-mile radius. He shared that he is thinking about putting
the phrase “one in a million” on Jacksonville’s publication since retailers
are going to be interested in that number. He stated they will get
publications ready, bring them to Council for review, and use them as a tool.
He affirmed the number one place they go to sell this is Las Vegas where the
International Council of Shopping Centers (ICSC) has a show every year. He
detailed that you cannot see every booth at the show in even a three-day
period, adding that Ms. Perez will be attending it the second week in
September. He noted that the ICSC is coming to Little Rock for the first time
ever to offer a three-hour program. He shared that he is a member of the ICSC
so they will send him a list of who all is coming to the convention so he can
set up appointments to visit with those people when he goes to Las Vegas. He
related there is a lot of work involved to be ready to sit down and talk with
them, but the phrase “one in a million” will catch their eye and that is what
he plans on using if the Chamber will let him. He concluded, saying this is
just a part of what they are doing now and there will be several other things
they will send to Council in the future and over the next two weeks.
Jacksonville Chamber of Commerce Executive Vice President Kathy Perez stated
she has lived in Jacksonville since she was eight years old, went to high
school here, and is glad to be here. She would like to get to know each and
every one of the Council Members more and see how they can together help
Jacksonville thriving once again.
Council Member Blevins requested clarification if the figures Mr. Harvel
presented were yearly.
Mr. Harvel concurred, noting it was not just the city, but mainly other
public-private partnerships. He explained that the total budget is close to a
billion dollars, but those listed are just the things he has determined are
economic development related.
Council Member Blevins then asked Mr. Harvel if he intends to eventually
request investment from the City since he had mentioned return on investment.
Mr. Harvel responded that his main intent regarding return on investment is
to start going one to one raising money. He surmised they would not be able
to raise as much mentioned, noting the population of Russellville is equal to
Jacksonville, but they have a bigger concentration of businesses they are
able to raise money from. He affirmed it is easier to raise money there than
it is going to be here, but they will. He related how he called the same
program they had in Little Rock, “Stocking the Rock,” adding that every town
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has one of these to raise money through public-private partnerships. He
shared they could come to the City with requests at times where they will see
the numbers regarding return on investment.
Council Member Blevins asked how long Mr. Harvel was with Russellville, what
was the average percentage of the return of investment for that time, and was
it always going up, even during the Covid period.
Mr. Harvel replied that he was with them for five years, adding that the
Covid period, out of his entire career, was his most rewarding of what he had
done. He shared how they were able to get their small businesses in Yell and
Pope Counties $3.6 million in grants, describing how they would fill out the
paperwork, send it in for them, and how he had hundreds of emails and phone
calls, sometimes at 10:00 p.m. on Saturday nights. He recalled that during
that time they were afraid of what it would do to their income and it was not
a good time to raise money, so they did not since he did not want to go
asking for it during the hard time. When Council Member Blevins inquired, he
responded that the grants he got were for small businesses and came from
AEDC, adding that their loan values went close to $80 million.
Council Member Ray welcomed Mr. Harvel to the City of Jacksonville, adding
that they met at the Jacksonville Rotary Club a few weeks ago.
Mr. Harvel recalled that the first location he ever did as the Economic
Developer of the Little Rock Chamber of Commerce was Remington Arms in
Lonoke. He stated that Council Member Ray shared with him that he was the
third person that Remington Arms had hired.
d. Debbie Fulton/citizen concerns
Council Member Blevins shared that last week he had a citizen call him and
request to speak to Council. He explained that, at the time, it was an
incident involving the Police Department regarding questions on how to file
charges, etc. He confirmed he had spoken to Police Chief Hibbs which resulted
in him sending an officer to go speak to her, but she would still like to
speak to the City Council. He affirmed he approved for her to come speak
regarding this police issue, noting there were other issues that were brought
up afterwards that which were not explained to him at the time. He noted he
has brought her to speak specifically on the incident regarding the police
incident and how hard it is to file charges against someone.
Citizen Debbie Fulton stated the issue she has with the police is response
time, detailing that in her neighborhood, it takes thirty minutes to an hour
or more to get a police officer there following a call. She related that the
police officers do not fill out the reports properly or entirely, explaining
how she has to take a recent one they did, for when someone vandalized her
and her daughter’s cars, back to them since the daughter’s car was not even
mentioned in it. She noted that she cannot even go to the prosecuting
attorney to file the lawsuit because it is incomplete, stressing that it
should not take a police officer thirty minutes or more to come to their
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house. She explained how her granddaughter was missing and it took an hour
and a half to get an Officer there, while everyone was frantically looking
for her. She stressed that in their neighborhood, the police response is not
two minutes. When Mayor Johnson asked if this was a response to an ongoing
event or was it just to file a report, she responded it was just to file a
report. She explained it was the first incident with this particular person
at her house, but not the first incident with this person in their
neighborhood.
Police Chief Hibbs did not agree with Ms. Fulton’s statements, explaining on
that particular call, she made a Facebook post about it and made completely
inaccurate accusations. He explained he has the call and the time the
officers were dispatched, noting that it came in and the first officer was
dispatched at 10:13 and arrived at 10:21, which equals to eight minutes
because that officer was not in the area. He noted the second officer was
dispatched at 10:14 and arrived five minutes later at 10:19. He went on to
say their average response time was two minutes and forty seconds in the
53,000 calls they received in 2021. He assured there is no time, he is aware
of that takes them an hour and a half to get anywhere, affirming the claim is
completely inaccurate. He pointed out if it was, there was a hostage
situation going where everyone would be tied up, but they have not had that.
He related that on occasion, he has every officer tied up on calls because
they run shifts at minimum right now since he is down on manpower and has
struggled with hiring. He told how they keep their shifts manned at six or
seven officers, depending on the times and dates, twenty-four hours a day. He
stated he pays a lot of overtime to fill holes in shifts where officers can
have days off, vacations, sick, or military leave, affirming they always have
at least six officers out going call to call that still average the two
minutes and forty second response time. He noted this particular call that
Ms. Fulton brought up took one officer five minutes to get there and the
second one eight minutes. He assured they handled the call accurately, adding
that Captain Washington also talked to her since he was out of state at the
time. He shared that they handled the call according to state law rules of
criminal procedure, that with misdemeanors, if the officer does not witness
the crime, he does a report and refers that person to the prosecutor where
they go and file a complaint. He affirmed it has been done that way at least
the last twenty-seven years he has been with the department, confirming if a
misdemeanor occurs outside their presence, they do not make an arrest unless
it is a domestic violence or a few other situations. He confirmed if it were
a felony and they have probable cause, they make an arrest right then. He
recalled this particular incident was a misdemeanor, stressing that he
cannot, by law, without violating someone’s rights, make an arrest on a
misdemeanor that does not happen in his presence. He stated that the
prosecutor now takes complaints at the main office in Little Rock, but used
to do it here several years ago. He surmised this was because of budget
issues, adding if they do it for Jacksonville, they would have to do it for
Sherwood, Maumelle, North Little Rock, and everyone else which would mean
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having a full-time prosecutor, a secretary, and an office for each. He
explained that it is campaign season for the prosecutor right now where two
are running for election, adding maybe that issue could be brought up to
them, but he cannot answer to that. He is not familiar with the incident
regarding the missing child, but in the other particular incident, it took
his officers five minutes to get there. He shared that back in Spring, they
started doing a version of Compstat and from the trend around the Country,
the past two years violence is up everywhere, noting there were seventeen
shootings in Little Rock last weekend. He pointed out that we have a gun,
violence, and gang problem and he knew it was going to be a bad Summer if he
did not start early. He recalled they were having a shots fired problem that
was pretty high at the beginning of the year, but they were actually way down
because of the effort his officers have made. He told how he has an analyst
that tells them the times, dates, and areas these incidents normally occur
and he sends officers to the area to flood it with officers. He affirmed that
to say there are no officers in Sunnyside, or in the south end, is completely
ridiculous because that is where he puts most of them. He assured there are
more officers there now since the Spring than there ever have been and that
is something he has been doing with staff meetings with his Captains and
Lieutenants as a focused effort to reduce crime. He related they have had one
homicide this year where all of the other cities have had way more, adding
that he believes they have done a tremendous job. When Council Member Dietz
request clarification on a required wait time to report missing children, he
replied it is a myth often seen in movies and television. He shared that his
officers have had state-mandated training on missing persons, adding that the
report is taken, no matter what, at that time whether they think it happened
or not.
When Council Member Dietz inquired about what happened to the child, Ms.
Fulton responded that she was at a friend’s house she did not get permission
to go to. She stated she was told by an officer that because she was not
technically kidnapped, there would not be an Amber Alert put out for her. She
told how they did not know where she disappeared to or if someone took her
from the bus stop; they just knew she did not come home from there. She
stated that with the kids being taken nowadays, it would not matter if a kid
ran away, an Amber Alert needs to be put out.
Police Chief Hibbs affirmed they are not allowed to without knowing if the
child is in imminent danger, noting there are different levels of Amber
Alerts. He explained how they call the State Police regarding a particular
case and then they tell them whether or not it meets the criteria, pointing
out they had one the other day they knew did not meet the criteria, but they
still called anyway. He recalled they had a 12-year-old child missing they
found out-of-state with her mother who she was not supposed to be with. He
confirmed she did run away and everyone on Facebook were saying they should
do an Amber Alert, but she was not in imminent danger since she ran off with
her and they knew about what was going on. He affirmed the problem is if they
do not know where the child is, it does not mean they are in danger, and they
have to know they are in danger in order to issue an Amber Alert. He noted it
was a three-minute response time for the missing child Ms. Fulton is
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referring to, not an hour and a half. When Ms. Fulton mentioned they had been
searching for the child, he responded they may have searched, but they may
not have informed police of it while they were searching.
Ms. Fulton related they were searching as her daughter was calling, she knows
they searched for over an hour, and by the time she got back home, that is
when the police showed up. She shared that she does know a lot of the time
there is no response from the Police Department for at least thirty minutes.
Police Chief Hibbs disagreed, assuring they respond to every call they get.
Ms. Fulton mentioned the incomplete police report, detailing that her
daughter’s car was involved in a vandalism, but she was not mentioned on the
police report at all.
Police Chief Hibbs recalled that the daughter said her car was hit with a
brick, yet the brick never even touched her car, but was only thrown in the
direction.
Ms. Fulton affirmed she has pictures where it did touch the car, noting there
is damage to the windows and mirror.
Police Chief Hibbs pointed out she would still have to take that complaint to
the prosecutor’s office because they cannot issue the warrant until she does.
Ms. Fulton reiterated they cannot file the complaint if she is not on the
police report.
Council Member Twitty asked Ms. Fulton if she had gone to the Police
Department to speak to the Chief or another officer about this instead of
coming before Council to speak, because the stories are not matching up.
Ms. Fulton assured she spoke to the officer they sent to her, adding that
lately when she tries to talk to anyone to get anything done, nothing gets
done, so the only way to fix things now is to go to City Council meetings or
the news. She explained how she has tried for seventeen years to get a
drainage ditch put in front of her and her neighbor’s house. She responded
yes when Council Member Twitty asked if she had spoken to Public Works
Director Jim Oakley one-on-one. She stated the issue has still not been taken
care of where they still have stagnant water that sits in front of her and
the neighbor’s house. She explained they and the neighbors across the street
have children and the stagnant water is a breeding ground for mosquitos,
noting the mosquito truck only comes through maybe twice a year. She recalled
for seventeen years she has been trying to get it fixed, sharing that former
Mayor Gary Fletcher had said the City is not responsible for flooded yards.
She affirmed she is not talking about the yard, but is talking about the
little gutter between the sidewalk and the road.
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Council Member Sansing stated it was very obvious to him in the pictures that
people have filled in the gutters at their driveways with concrete resulting
in the water standing between driveway and driveway.
Ms. Fulton disagreed, noting Galloway Park and Pike is uphill from where they
are at, adding that there is a pipe in the middle of that concrete so water
can drain through. When Council Member Sansing stated that the concrete
should not be filling in the gutter, she replied that those are all through
Sunnyside and have been like that for almost twenty years. She pointed out
that the water is not going to go anywhere since it is uphill both ways,
toward Galloway and Pike since they are in a valley.
Council Member Blevins stated after Ms. Fulton had called him, he did call
and speak to Captain Washington, noting that an officer went to talk to her
the very next day. He shared how she still wanted to speak and confirmed that
someone did come out to speak to her one-on-one.
Police Chief Hibbs stated there was no damage to her daughter’s car and the
daughter did not want a report, according to the officer.
Ms. Fulton disagreed, saying she did and the officer is wrong. When Council
Member Dietz asked if she was there when her daughter talked to the officer,
she replied yes because her car was damaged at the same time. She noted her
daughter was furious and doing a lot of cussing because they damaged her
window, mirror, and there were bricks thrown. She told how her own mirror was
ripped completely off which cost $300.00 to replace the mirror with $150.00
to install it. She mentioned a misdemeanor being $400.00 and that went over
the charge being $450.00 to fix one mirror, making it a felony. She recalled
how they put the person who did it in the back of the car, took her around
the corner, and turned her loose.
Council Member Blevins clarified that she was dropped off around the corner
at her house.
Ms. Fulton told how the next day this same woman was on Pike doing the same
thing and the day before that she was at a gas station destroying it.
Police Chief Hibbs explained that the person being mentioned is a regular for
them, with officers being familiar with her. He confirmed she does a lot of
things, but their hands are tied sometimes by the law.
Council Member Dietz related that the Police Department did talk to her and
are good at communicating, noting they have had no problem with most of these
people and the Chief. He mentioned talking to Police Chief Hibbs and Public
Works Director Jim Oakley and apologized that she has had issues. He noted
they have heard her concerns and will take them into consideration, but they
have done all they can do here at this point.
Council Member Twitty suggested she make an appointment to calmly talk one-
on-one with Police Chief Hibbs.
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Ms. Fulton shared the reason she sent pictures to all of Council is because
in seventeen years nothing has been done and the road is falling apart now.
Public Works Director Jim Oakley concurred when Council Member Mashburn asked
if the placement of that particular concrete is illegal. She surmised they
could solve the drainage problem by going in and taking them all out.
Public Works Director Jim Oakley explained one reason they did not do it when
they saw it is because it will not fix everything, but will only help. He
pointed out that the person that lives next door to Ms. Fulton on the left is
handicapped and needs to be able to get a wheelchair out to the car. He
explained he had deferred it some for that reason, but confirmed they can
take those out.
Ms. Fulton stated she had hers removed years ago and if she is not careful
going into the driveway, she will hit bottom.
Council Member Twitty related that they cannot have it both ways because if
you have it, it keeps the water from draining.
Ms. Fulton surmised if there was a drainage ditch put there it would make a
world of difference because it is uphill both ways since they are in a
valley. She affirmed it is not going to go anywhere even if you remove the
concrete.
Public Works Director Jim Oakley acknowledged it does have its challenges
since it is pretty flat over there, noting they can look at making some small
improvements, but it would take a major redesign of that subdivision to do
anything.
Council Member Mashburn recalled that they spoke about the drainage several
years ago and they could not find a solution to it then.
Public Works Director Jim Oakley reiterated it would be difficult without a
major redesign of the subdivision, adding that City Engineer Adam Whitlow
will help him look at it next weekend to see if they can find some repair
that will help without spending hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Council Member Twitty mentioned the House Watch service the Police Department
provides, explaining every time she goes out of town, even though she has
cameras and alarms, it is nice to have Jacksonville Police Department do a
thorough job checking her residence every day she is gone. She detailed how
they went from the front of her house, completely all of the way around, down
into the basement, and even around the pool. She affirmed they did an
excellent job, thanked Police Chief Hibbs, and mentioned that for everyone
who is not aware of it, it is a service they offer that has been fantastic.
She noted she signed up on the website, adding they will drive by at least
one time a day.
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Police Chief Hibbs recalled they have been doing those for thirty years or
more. He acknowledged they are not perfect, noting he has a tremendously
young, inexperienced department with an average patrolman experience being
two years. He admitted they do make a lot of mistakes having to go call to
call with times where calls are backed up and they cannot get to them
resulting in extended times, but they still average a good response time
better than big cities. He explained how he has to pay people overtime to
work shifts to keep them on the streets, so he has worked them pretty hard to
try to make it a quiet Summer. He affirmed that shots fired and violence are
down, recalling it was way worse in the Spring and even in January and
February. He stated they made a team effort to organize it and made a
response resulting in a decrease of crime here versus increases everywhere
else. He recalled his goal was to have a quiet Summer and that is what he
told his officers when they started the program they are doing. He pointed
out that it is new to them dealing with crime analysis and they are learning
it. He acknowledged there are times when complaints are valid, recalling in
the past if someone told him an officer did something, he would not have
believed it, but now he would check into it since they are young and
inexperienced and the only way to get experience is to do the job. He related
they have made mistakes, but he gives them room to grow, coaches, and
supervises them while trying not to discipline too hard.
Council Member Twitty noted Police Chief Hibbs and his officers are doing a
great job and shared her appreciation.
APPOINTMENTS: A & P COMMISSION Appointment of Andy Rehm to fill the unexpired
term of Jim Hurley set to expire 03/31/2023
Mayor Johnson stated he is unable to approve this appointment tonight, noting
that according to the past ordinances regarding qualifications for the A & P
Commission, the candidates have to live in Pulaski County, and this person
does not. He mentioned that Council Member Twitty had brought up a concern at
the Chamber meeting about not having an absentee rule for this commission.
Council Member Twitty affirmed she and City Attorney Friedman are working on
it.
Mayor Johnson suggested meeting with the A & P Commission to get their input
on it before they do anything.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS:
ANNOUNCEMENTS: Hope for Hazel Benefit
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Council Member Twitty announced that Friday, September 16 there will be the
third annual Hope for Hazel benefit. She explained it is in memory of Marsha
and Jim Dornblaser’s daughter. She detailed that it is a benefit for Cystic
Fibrosis and invited all golfers to give them a call to get signed up.
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Titan Obstacle Course
Parks and Recreation Director Kevin House confirmed they had 236 participants
in this year’s Titan Obstacle Course.
Jacksonville Museum of Military History A Night at the Victory Canteen
Council Member Ray announced the Military Museum benefit will be this
Saturday night.
Pit Bull Committee
Council Member Blevins announced the final Pit Bull Committee meeting will be
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next Tuesday, August 23 6 p.m. in the City Council Chambers.
City-owned Sunnyside Lots
Council Member Dietz stated the City still has 16-17 lots left in Sunnyside
and they need to figure out how to get clear title to see they can let
someone else own them so we can stop mowing them.
Mayor Johnson related that the citizen that bought 102 would like the list
and possibly purchase them all.
Council Member Dietz confirmed if they are willing to pay $750.00 to
$1,000.00 and it is close to their house, it is time the City relieve itself
of them and put the money in the coffer. He affirmed the City does not need
to be mowing since they are mowing enough yards for citizens where it is
wearing down the Parks and Recreation Department. He stated he will have an
update on it at the next meeting.
Mayor Johnson responded no when Council Member Blevins asked if there is a
way for the City to offer financing for them.
Council Member Blevins explained it would have been good for that
neighborhood to make it happen.
Council Member Dietz mentioned another option would be to put little homes on
them so people can finance them. He affirmed the best way to do that would be
to clear title, suggesting to go ahead and let the people close to them or
beside them buy them.
ADJOURNMENT: Without objection, Mayor Johnson adjourned the meeting at
approximately 6:59 p.m. MOTION CARRIED.
Respectfully,
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Susan L. Davitt MAYOR BOB JOHNSON
City Clerk-Treasurer
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