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CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS
REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MAY 12, 2008
7:00 P.M. - 7:37 P.M.
OPENING REMARKS:
The Planning Commission of the City of Jacksonville, Arkansas met
in regular session on May 12, 2008. Chairman Traylor opened the
meeting at approximately 7:00 p.m. expressing appreciation to
those in attendance. He then introduced new City Planner Chip
McCulley.
ROLL CALL: Commissioners Art Brannen, Charles Evans, Bart Gray,
Jr., Chad Young, John Herbold, Tom Evans, and Alderman Bill
Howard answered ROLL CALL. Chairman Traylor also answered ROLL
CALL and declared a quorum. PRESENT (8), ABSENT (1).
Others present for the meeting were Acting City Engineer Jay
Whisker, City Planner Chip McCulley, Alderman Reedie Ray,
Alderman Bob Stroud, Mr. Tommy Bond, interested citizens,
petitioners, and press.
CORRECTION AND/OR APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Commissioner Howard moved, seconded by Commissioner Brannen to
approve the minutes of the regularly scheduled Planning
Commission meeting of 10 March 2008. MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARING(S): CONDITIONAL USE 403 Boston Street regarding a
church in R-1 zone
Chairman Traylor opened the public hearing at approximately 7:01
p.m.
Petitioners Carwin and Carolyn Baker addressed the Commission;
Mr. Baker expressed his and his wife’s desire to utilize their
garage as a church. He related that they have a small
congregation of approximately nineteen people. He explained that
parking is proposed for the driveway, noting that many would walk
to church. He stated they feel strongly about starting a church
and hope that the Planning Commission will grant the request in
recognition that this generation is falling downhill. He stated
that the church would be geared toward helping the youth and
elderly. He stated that they plan to have youth involved in
community activities that would keep them headed in a positive
direction.
With no one to speak in opposition, Chairman Traylor closed the
public hearing at approximately 7:04 p.m.
Commissioner Gray stated that he originally questioned the need
for a conditional use until he understood that it involved
nineteen people in a residential area. He explained that the
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Planning Commission has routinely allowed churches to be built in
residential areas regarding facilities to accommodate a growing
congregation. He then noted that even in-home (residential)
daycares have regulations that limit the number of children that
can be kept. He explained he would have concern for that number
of people gathered regularly in a residential environment that is
not physically suited for a congregation. He stated that his
concern would be for a proper facility, even if it were an open-
air tent where people could worship. He stated that if there
were that many people coming to a residence on a Wednesday night
during the specified service hours, it could perhaps grow, which
of course would be a good thing, but it would need to move to a
larger facility. He stated that an open-ended conditional use
could be a concern.
Commissioner Charles Evans issues concerns regarding fire code
restrictions, parking, and noise factors.
Commissioner Howard offered information forwarded from Fire
Marshall Mike Williams stating, “I am writing you this letter in
response to your question concerning a church meeting in a
residential home. This would be in violation of Arkansas Fire
Prevention Code. Common homes are not rated, nor do they have
the necessary safety features needed for a church. Chapter 10 of
the Arkansas Fire Prevention Code states that a residential house
is only allowed one person for every two hundred square feet of
space. In order for this property to be considered a church, the
property would have to be reclassified with all the necessary
safety features.”
Commissioner Howard stated that he had spoken with Fire Marshall
Williams regarding those concerns; he stated that can appreciate
Mr. Baker’s efforts, but feels it is not the proper place for a
church.
Commissioners Herbold and Young commended the Baker’s efforts.
Mrs. Baker then answered Commissioner Young, that most of the
congregation live in the neighborhood and that there would not be
more than two or three cars that would be parking.
Commissioner Young questioned if there would be any action needed
regarding a situation where people come to a house for a meeting.
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City Planner McCulley related that a conditional use is much like
a rezoning in that it conditionally allows uses of the property,
explaining that if granted the Bakers could decide to quit living
in the house and turn the home strictly into a church. He went on
to say that there are no restrictions against meeting regularly
such as when residents have friends visit. He stated that
calling it a church with regularly scheduled meetings prompts the
need for a conditional use within a residential subdivision. He
acknowledged that there is some gray area associated with holding
meetings at a residence or calling it a church and holding
services. He further explained that if a resident were holding
regular meetings and their neighbors called the City to complain,
the Code Enforcement officers would investigate.
Mr. Baker answered Chairman Traylor that currently they are
holding service on Sundays.
Mrs. Baker offered that it has been a positive experience with
the neighborhood.
Commissioner Tom Evans questioned what the Bakers felt would be
an appropriate growth number that would prompt them to relocate
their church to another facility and their short or long-term
plans to locate another facility.
Mr. Baker stated that within the next three months he would like
to move into a bigger building when the attendance grows to
approximately 30 to 35 people.
Mrs. Baker offered that her feeling would be once attendance is
over 20; services should be moved from the home. She then noted
that currently most of the 19 attendees are children.
Commissioner Evans clarified if the Bakers meant 20 adults with
children.
Mr. Baker stated that he had been looking for an available
facility.
Commissioner Howard offered that the Senior Center rents facility
space for church services.
Mr. and Mrs. Baker reiterated their desire to help the community
through youth activities.
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Commissioner Tom Evans commended their intentions to help the
community and youth, adding that the Commission’s concern is the
feasibility of operating a church from a home.
Mr. Baker stated that he is looking to expand operations and
would begin looking for a proper facility.
Discussion ensued as to petitioners withdrawing their request and
the event that would provoke investigation by Code Enforcement.
City Planner McCulley offered that the Fire Code addresses the
safety issues regarding groups of people who meet regularly in
assembly, explaining that this is the type of situation the Fire
Code is designed to address. Otherwise, he stated that if Mr.
Baker had not made it known to the City and the group continued
to meet without incident or complaint, the City would not have
had cause to be involved. He added that it is difficult for the
City to pretend these circumstances do not exists once being made
aware of safety and life issues. He stated that he would be
willing to offer his and his Department’s services to help the
Bakers locate an alternative location.
Other suggestions to locate a proper facility for assembly were
offered.
Commissioner Howard moved, seconded by Commissioner Brannen to
deny the request for a conditional use of a church at 403 Boston
Street.
Mr. and Mrs. Baker requested to be allowed to withdraw their
request. Request to withdraw granted.
REQUEST TO APPROVE PLAT(S): a. FINAL PLAT The Meadows Subdivision
Final plat for the Meadows Subdivision removed from agenda per
petitioner.
b. FINAL PLAT Chick-fil-A Subdivision
Mr. Paxton Singleton of Global Surveying Consultants offered his
representation for clients PBS&J. He noted that the Chick-fil-A
Subdivision is a one-lot subdivision that is .788 acres on North
First Street in the “old Wal-Mart shopping center”. He stated
that the building does meet setbacks, noting a protected area and
access easements. He offered a further definition of the access
easements, pointing out private drainage facilities located on
the existing shopping center, which are shown on the plat. He
stated that the restrictive use and covenants might be removed.
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City Planner McCulley stated that the plat has met all bulk and
area requirements, adding that there have been questions
regarding the protected area. He pointed to a hatched area on
the power point presentation of the plat, stating that this area
is not being purchased from CK Partners but will be used for
parking. He pointed out that the developers are going beyond
their property line to perform improvements to the parking area
with islands and landscaping. He stated that approval is
recommended. He then answered that the TCBY building would be
demolished, adding that the curb, gutter and parking area will
all be new construction.
It was clarified that the one lot subdivision meets all criteria.
Commissioner Brannen moved, seconded by Commissioner Charles
Evans to approve the Final Plat of Chick-fil-A Subdivision as
presented. MOTION CARRIED.
BUILDING PERMIT(S): SITE PLAN Chick-fil-A
Mr. Todd Rogers of PBS&J stated that he would be representing
Chick-fil-A as his client.
City Planner McCulley stated that the site plan proposes a 3,921
square foot restaurant on approximately 0.79 acres. He
reiterated that the proposed plan would encompass the demolition
of the old TCBY building. He stated that much like the plat, the
site plan met most City’s requirements. He pointed out that a
sidewalk would be added along the frontage of North First Street.
He noted the site plan being presented does include the extended
sidewalk.
Commissioner Young confirmed with City Planner McCulley that the
only modification to utilities is the new storm drain inlet. City
Planner McCulley concurred, saying that the new storm drain inlet
would be located on the south side of Chick-fil-A.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Gray, City
Planner McCulley answered that 37 parking spaces are required,
explaining that Chick-fil-A will have two rows of parking to the
north in the protected area acquired through a lease agreement.
Mr. Rogers noted that within the property boundary there are 39
parking spaces, making for a total of approximately 83 parking
spaces, including handicap spaces.
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Commissioner Young questioned if the area in front of the
protected area would be newly sodded. He clarified that he is
referring to the area between parking and North First Street.
Mr. Rogers stated that he did not have the landscaping plan with
him because it is outsourced, but felt that it would not be a
problem to add that to the plan.
City Planner McCulley clarified that because the area in
reference is not a part of Chick-fil-A’s property the City cannot
enforce improvements such as a sidewalk.
Discussion ensued and it was determined that the area in question
is approximately 100’ across North First Street. Landscaping
requirements were noted to become a requirement when a certain
percentage of improvements are being proposed. City Attorney
Bamburg suggested that the lease agreement could be modified to
include the 100’ strip regarding improvements.
Commissioner Gray stated that the owner of the shopping center
should be requested to make those improvements for the public
good and for the appearance of the property. He stated that he
is not sure that extending the sidewalk even to the next curb cut
entrance would be a practical improvement for the shopping
center, but he would like to see that improvement made at this
time, given future considerations for sidewalk construction.
Chairman Traylor clarified with Mr. Rogers that the island
improvements in the protected area are being proposed by Chick-
fil-A.
Mr. Rogers related that there are proposed sod and shade trees
for the new islands in the protected parking area, but not in the
strip being discussed. He added that he feels, as a good
community partner, Chick-fil-A would be favorable to adding the
extended sidewalk either/or landscaping requirements.
City Planner McCulley clarified that the City is working with the
developer regarding that area and has opted for the extended
sidewalk, explaining that the City will follow with construction
of handicap ramps. He stated that it was discerned that raised
planters with trees would better serve landscaping purposes and
the sidewalk would be better option versus landscaping in the
area in front of North First Street.
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REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MAY 12, 2008
7:00 P.M. - 7:37 P.M.
Commissioner Young moved, seconded by Commissioner Herbold to
approve the site plan for Chick-fil-A as presented, stipulating
that an agreement be worked through City Planner McCulley
regarding final approval of landscaping and sidewalks. MOTION
CARRIED.
GENERAL:
ANNOUNCEMENT:
ADJOURNMENT: Chairman Traylor without objection adjourned the
meeting at approximately 7:37 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
_________________________
Susan L. Davitt
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