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CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS
REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
NOVEMBER 8, 2004
7:00 P.M. – 8:04 P.M.
OPENING REMARKS:
Chairman Art Brannen opened the meeting at approximately 7:00
p.m. expressing appreciation for those in attendance.
Chairman Brannen announced that Commissioner Lester is resigning
from the Commission, adding that he would like to offer his
appreciation to Mr. Lester for his contributions to the Planning
Commission.
ROLL CALL: Commissioners Chad Young, Glen Keaton, Kevin
McCleary, Mike Traylor, Mark Stroud, and William Montgomery
answered ROLL CALL. Chairman Brannen also answered ROLL CALL and
declared a quorum. PRESENT seven (7), ABSENT two (2).
Others present for the meeting were City Engineer Whisker,
Aldermen Stroud and Howard, Bob Williams, Public Works Director
Jim Oakley, Mr. Ben Rice, Mr. Tommy Bond, and press.
APPROVAL AND/OR CORRECTION OF MINUTES:
Commissioner Montgomery moved, seconded by Commissioner Young
that the minutes of the 11 October 2004 Regular Planning
Commission meeting be approved as presented. MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING of 809 Quince Hill Road from R-1 to R-3
Chairman Brannen opened the public hearing at approximately 7:01
p.m.
Tim Lemons of Lemons Engineering related that he is representing
Paul’s Custom Homes and then offered the Commission additional
informational regarding photographs of the project area. He
stated that the proposed townhouse development would act as a
buffer between the existing homes to the west, and the existing
multi-family units in the Maximum Howell area. He referred to a
photograph demonstrating a similar style of townhouse being
proposed. He added that the developers of the project have
agreed to construct a sidewalk along the south side of Quince
Hill, within the limits of the property which will align with the
sidewalks previously constructed to the west of subject
development. He related that the developers have agreed to move
the trash dumpster to the southeast corner of the project, as
opposed to the front as previously presented. He reviewed the
photographs of the property as it is currently and similar
townhouses that are an example of the proposed development. He
reviewed structures at the northwest and northeast corners of the
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property, adding that the structure at the northeast corner is
proposed to be removed. He noted multi-family development
adjacent to the east, south, and southeast of the subject
development.
Chairman Brannen offered the floor to anyone wishing to speak in
opposition to the rezoning request.
Mr. John Herbold of 1100 Quince Hill Road acknowledged several
multi-family developments in the area, adding that the
neighborhood is experiencing problems with the sewer system. He
explained that during rainy weather, the area manholes overflow.
He offered that approximately two years before the Planning
Commission had denied a proposal for a multi-family development
in the area because of the sewer system experiencing overflowing
manholes. He then noted that a single-family development of
approximately seven houses was approved at the corner of North
First and Quince Hill. He added that in speaking with Mr. Don
Tonnies, developer of the Small Oaks Subdivision, he learned that
sewer was discussed during planning approval and that he was told
that this subdivision would be approved but that any other new
development would not be approved because the sewer system is at
maximum capacity. He stated that if the manholes are overflowing
during wet weather, then outside water must be infiltrating into
the sewer system. He added that if the sewer is at maximum
capacity, how can it handle 15 extra units. He related that the
Oak Ridge development is also being handled by the same sewer
system, pointing out that the subdivision is developing very
quickly. He added that from a development viewpoint, Mr. Dick
Jones contributed to having the sewer system upgraded and is
developing single-family homes in the area. He noted that Mr.
Jones has voiced that 15 units would take 15 homes away from his
development. He stated that he believes the Planning Commission
should deny the proposal, offering the Wastewater Department an
opportunity to upgrade the sewer before adding additional new
developments. He added that he had spoken with the Wastewater
Department to verify the information he has offered to the
Planning Commission.
Mr. Lemons offered, as point of clarification, a copy of the site
plan distributed earlier with the photographs.
Chairman Brannen closed the public hearing at approximately 7:11
p.m.
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City Engineer Whisker acknowledged that infiltration during wet
weather has caused the manholes to overflow. He stated that
regarding the request to rezone he is suggesting that if the
single-family house to the front of the property is to remain, it
should be a separate lot.
Mr. Bob Williams of the Wastewater Department acknowledged the
situation with the northeast pump station, which serves the area
in question. He related that it is not the intention of the
Wastewater Department to discourage development; adding that
during dry weather the pump station has adequate capacity but
during wet weather, due to the I & I in the area, there are
problems with wet weather capacity. He related that there are
overflowing manholes, explaining that the Sewer Commission has
plans to do extensive rehabilitation and upgrade the pump station
in the near future. He stated that the Sewer Commission does not
believe that 15 additional units will be of any significance to
the existing wet weather problems. He stated that the
overflowing manholes would continue to overflow until they are
rehabbed, adding that the area had extensive slip lining in the
early 90’s and the Department intents to correct the existing
problems.
Mr. Williams clarified with Commissioner Stroud that barring wet
weather conditions, the sewer system does not have a problem
adding 15 units.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Young, Mr.
Williams stated that the Sewer Commission has approved a study to
be performed regarding area needs. He explained that the area
pump station goes through the pump station on Loop Road,
explaining that the Loop Road pump station would have to
addressed first before upgrading the northeast pump station. He
stated that the first order of business would be to stop the
inflow and infiltration, so the pump stations would not have to
pump storm water. He clarified that inflow is the flow from the
surface and infiltration is from the ground water.
Commissioner Stroud then questioned if the capacity could handle
the continued development of Oak Ridge and Jamestown as well as
the newly proposed 15 units.
Mr. Williams reiterated that the dry weather capacity is capable
but the wet weather capacity is not. He then answered that there
is not a definite time frame for when the I & I problem will be
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corrected, adding that there has been extensive rehabilitation
work in the past six years with a lot more planned. He stated
that work would begin at the first of 2005.
Discussion ensued regarding the additional units and the impact
on existing sewer problems in dry weather and wet weather
conditions.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Montgomery, Mr.
Williams related that the Loop Road pump station is a separate
project but would be performed at the same time. He stated that
an upgrade of the Loop Road pump station would be contracted. He
then answered that the area in questioned has had a previous
rehabilitation project, which showed a reduction of the I & I of
approximately 20%.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Keaton, Mr. Paul
Shield answered that the projected starting date is March 2005,
with the first site being available some time in May and totally
completed in a nine-month period.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner McCleary, Mr.
Williams stated that the study is anticipated to be completed in
two years.
Mr. Lemons reasoned that the new development would be less than
5% of the existing homes or units currently on the system, adding
that as new construction it would not add as much water per unit
as the exiting construction having dilapidated pipes. He stated
that 15 units are insignificant if you consider the amount of
rainwater that is entering the sewer system.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Stroud, Mr.
Herbold stated that when the pipes are full even the addition of
15 gallons would cause an overflow. He stated that wet weather
conditions could not be ignored, adding that the sewer problems
are a major concern for the area residents. He noted that when
the manholes overflow it is not just the I & I that comes out.
Commissioner Stroud noted that the development would be a good
buffer between multi-family and residential.
Mr. Herbold confirmed with Mr. Williams that during wet weather
the system is at maximum, adding that wet weather is what
concerns the neighborhood because that is when the manholes
overflow.
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Discussion ensued regarding the circumstances surrounding
conditions of wet weather. Several residents including Jennifer
Hunt of 205 Dale Drive offered that approximately two years ago
during heavy rains her house flooded and her carpeting had to be
replaced because the sewer backed up. She added that her back
yard during heavy rains becomes as much as 3’ deep with moving
water, noting the danger for her 3 year old son. She then
related smells of sewer when the water recedes, as well as the
hazards of mosquitoes with standing water. She stated that in
the two years she has lived on Dale Drive there have been
constant problems with the sewer, explaining that the sewer backs
up into her bathtub. She stated that nothing needs to be added to
the problem until the problem is addressed. She asked the
Commission to consider present conditions that the residents have
to face.
Commissioner Keaton questioned the priority list for the
Wastewater Department and the planned rehabilitation.
Mr. Williams confirmed that the priority would be overflowing
manholes, adding that the Department has been addressing
overflowing manholes diligently for the past few years.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Montgomery, Mr.
Williams responded that the lines on Dale Drive are cleaned on a
regular basis, adding that most of the back ups occur as a result
of grease and roots in the lines. He then noted that some
rehabilitation work has been performed in the area, along with
extensive investigative work. He added that all the lines in the
Dale Drive area have been televised in the past eight months,
explaining that any needed repairs are performed immediately.
Commissioner Young commented on the need to address current
situations before encouraging new development. He stated that
the situation should be higher priority.
Commissioner Stroud concurred.
Commissioner Montgomery moved, seconded by Commissioner Stroud to
deny the request to rezone property located at 809 Quince Hill
Road from R-1 to R-3. MOTION CARRIED.
Mr. Lemons questioned the feasibility of a different zoning of
less density from 16 to 9 units, which would allow the developer
some use of the property.
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Chairman Brannen clarified that the current request has been
denied and any other request would have to follow the same
procedure for public hearing. He then explained that the only
alternative at this juncture would be to appeal the Planning
Commission’s decision to the City Council.
REQUEST TO APPROVE PLATS: a. FINAL PLAT Lot 1, P&P Subdivision
Chairman Brannen removed the final plat for Lot 1 of the P&P
Subdivision addressed as 809 Quince Hill Road from the agenda,
which was denied a rezoning request.
b. SKETCH PLAT Foxwood Estates petitioner Woodhaven Homes
Representative Mr. Tommy Bond of Bond Engineering related that
approximately one year ago the Planning Commission rezoned the
property for a mobile home park, noting that the property still
carries that zoning. He explained that currently it is difficult
to secure a loan for mobile homes and consequently the idea to
subdivide the property into five-acre lots for single-family
development was conceived. He noted that the property would be
subdivided into 21 lots. He stated that it would be a private,
gated community developed with an improvement district, adding
that all interior improvements would be the responsibility of the
property owners. He noted that the City would provide water and
garbage service. He stated that the Sewer Commission has
approved the concept of a low-pressure grinder pump system. He
pointed out that there would not be the infiltration problems
commonly experienced with a gravity sewer system. He stated that
the flow is reduced by 40% when the low-pressure grinder pump
system is used. He noted that the Sewer Commission has a plan to
improve the pump station on Loop Road, explaining that the
subdivision would tie directly into the manhole at the Loop Road
pump station.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Young, Mr. Bond
stated that to his knowledge there is no other development of
this kind in the City limits, adding that the most similar would
be Scenic Bluffs by Hwy 107.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Montgomery, Mr.
Bond related that the development is adjacent to the railroad
tracks, adding that the railroad has a 100’ right-of-way along
the tracks. He stated that the final design has not been
concluded but the developer is considering a berm. He then
answered that part of the property is located within the flood
plain, adding that several of the lots would be half in the flood
plain.
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Commissioner Stroud noted that the asphalt roads would be 20’
wide with gravel shoulders, adding that normally streets are 27’.
Mr. Bond stated that the street development would be typical of a
rural County type development.
Discussion ensued regarding development standards for private
drives versus City streets.
Mr. Bond noted that the interior streets would be 20’ with gravel
shoulders and would be maintained by the property owners.
Commissioner Stroud stated that curb and gutter would maintain
the streets better.
Mr. Bond related issues of costs regarding development with
larger lots.
City Engineer Whisker agreed with Commissioner Stroud, saying
that the difference is that when you subdivide five acres you
have to go before the Planning Commission, adding that he has
compared the development to Forest Oaks, which is also a private
community but the City has request 27’ streets with curbs. He
stated that this subdivision would be more of a rural setting
with five-acre lots. He asked that the bill of assurance
stipulate that individual lots cannot be subdivided.
Mr. Bond noted that there would not be a street right-of-way but
simply an easement, explaining that the property owners would own
to the center of the street, which would be maintained by the
improvement district.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Young, Mr. Bond
explained that the concept is not to have a subdivision but to
have a rural atmosphere without curb and gutter. He stated that
the development would probably have home that range in cost from
$300,000.00 to $1,000,000.00. He stated that the development
would not be visible from any public road.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Keaton, Mr. Bond
stated that Fire and Police protection would be handled the same
as with Forest Oaks, explaining that there would be a key code
provided to the various entities providing public service. He
then responded that the property adjoining the proposed
development was taken out of the city limits.
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In response to a question posed by Chairman Brannen, Mr. Bond
related that the streets would be built to standard but would not
have curb and gutter.
Discussion ensued regarding the concept of the homes being
setback 100 plus feet from the street.
In response to a comment from Commissioner Young, Mr. Bond stated
that he has mentioned the concept of a common area to the
developer.
Commissioner Keaton moved, seconded by Commissioner Young to
approve the Sketch Plat of Foxwood Estates. MOTION CARRIED.
c. PRELIMINARY PLAT Crooked Creek PH II
Chairman Brannen noted that the Preliminary Plat of Crooked Creek
PH II has been removed from the agenda per the request of the
developer.
BUILDING PERMIT(S): SITE PLAN of Lot 1, P&P Subdivision
Chairman Brannen removed the site plan of Lot 1, P&P Subdivision.
GENERAL: Acceptance of amendment document #2004089062 to the
bill of assurance for the Dawkins Commercial Addition
Mr. Ben Rice explained that the original bill of assurance
approved by the Planning Commission noted that covenants of the
bill of assurance could not be amended unless notice is given and
approval is granted by the City of Jacksonville. He noted that
the amendment deals with a declaration of common access easement
and its use. He then added that the amendment also includes a
declaration of restrictive covenants, stating that another branch
bank cannot locate within the subdivision or another restaurant
on lot 1.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Young, City
Attorney Bamburg clarified that since the original document
states that any amendment is to be approved by the City, he felt
that the Planning Commission would be the property authority to
address an issue of that nature.
Commissioner Young moved, seconded by Commission Montgomery to
accept the amendment document #2004089062 regarding the Dawkins
Commercial Addition in the City of Jacksonville. MOTION CARRIED.
ADDITION TO AGENDA: FINAL PLAT of Clover Ridge South PH II
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Commissioner Stroud moved, seconded by Commissioner Montgomery to
remove the Final Plat of Clover Ridge South PH II from being
tabled at the previous Planning Commission meeting. MOTION
CARRIED.
Mr. Bond related that the Final Plat had been tabled pending
items regarding the sewer, adding that the sewer has been
repaired and is acceptable. He pointed out that due to the
weather the asphalt has not been completed but added that the
developer is prepared to post a bond for those improvements.
City Engineer Whisker agreed that weather conditions have delayed
the construction of streets within the subdivision, adding that
the developer has stated that he is willing to bond for the
street and sidewalk improvements. He stated that the Water and
Wastewater Departments have both given their letters of approval.
Commissioner Keaton questioned if there were any restrictions
with lots 70, 72, and 98 regarding which direction the house must
face.
Mr. Bond stated that the house should only face the culdesac
street, adding that the request could be noted on the plat.
Commissioner Stroud moved, seconded by Commissioner McCleary to
approve the Final Plat of Clover Ridge South PH II stipulating
that corner lots would face the culdesac and a bond is posted for
street and sidewalk improvements. MOTION CARRIED.
Commissioner Young noted that on the plat for Quince Hill there
are 15’ side yard setbacks at the corner.
City Engineer Whisker noted that the same had been discussed
approximately one year early, noting that setbacks have always
been 35’ in the front and 15’ on the side.
Commissioner Young stated that he believes corner developments
should have an increased side yard setback.
City Attorney Bamburg clarified that such a recommendation would
have to be forwarded to the City Council for approval by
ordinance.
Commissioner Young asked that City Attorney Bamburg draft an
ordinance for discussion at the next regularly scheduled Planning
Commission meeting.
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ADJOURNMENT: Chairman Brannen without objection adjourned the
meeting at approximately 8:04 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Susan L. Davitt
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