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CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, ARKANSAS
REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
JUNE 10, 2002
7:28 P.M. – 8:40 P.M.
OPENING REMARKS:
Vice Chairman Perry opened the meeting at approximately 7:28 p.m.
expressing appreciation for those in attendance.
ROLL CALL: Commissioners: Susan Dollar, Chad Young, Bobby Lester,
Glen Keaton, and Lester Piggee, answered ROLL CALL. Vice Chairman
Perry also answered ROLL CALL. PRESENT six (6), ABSENT (3).
Others present for the meeting were City Engineer Whisker, Mr. Aaron
Robinson, Mr. Mike Kirkpatrick, Mr. Tommy Bond, Alderman Stroud,
Commissioner Mark Stroud, Mr. Emerson Smith, members of the press,
interested citizens, and petitioners.
APPROVAL AND/OR CORRECTION OF MINUTES:
Commissioner Young moved, seconded by Commissioner Piggee that the
minutes of the 13 May 2002 Regular Planning Commission meeting be
APPROVED. MOTION CARRIED.
PUBLIC HEARING(S):
BUILDING PERMIT(S): 408 Graham Road
Mr. James Hartwig, Jr. stated his desire to construct a garage in his
back yard, explaining that there had been an existing storage shed
when he bought the home, but due to age and deterioration it was
removed.
In response to a question from Commissioner Young, Mr. Hartwig stated
that he proposed to construct a garage approximately 20’ X 32 at the
back corner of his lot. He related that the garage that was removed
was 12’ X 14’ and was located close to the back of the house.
In response to a question from Commissioner Piggee, Mr. Hartwig
related that he owns the property and has lived there for
approximately 20 years. He related that the property is free of
utility easements.
In response to a question from Commissioner Young, City Engineer
Whisker related that the request for a building permit comes before
the Commission because the property is unplatted.
Commissioner Piggee moved, seconded by Commissioner Dollar to approve
the building permit for 408 Graham Road as requested. MOTION CARRIED.
Site Plan & Preliminary Plat/Evans Road Apartments
Representative Aaron Robinson related that they are seeking approval
for the preliminary plat and the site plan.
Vice Chairman Perry noted a letter provided from the Jacksonville
Wastewater Utility regarding the proposed apartment complex.
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In response to a question from Commissioner Piggee, City Engineer
Whisker related that the Wastewater Department has a representative at
the meeting to answer questions regarding sewer, adding that his only
concerns are setbacks regarding the development. He stated that he
has spoken with Mr. Bond regarding the setback requirements being 35-
foot front, 25-foot rear, and 5-foot side yard setbacks. He related
that he has also recommended that the sidewalks be constructed at the
property line, closer to the street.
Discussion ensued as to the type of housing for the complex and Mr.
Robinson stated that it would be multi-family but not HUD housing.
City Engineer Whisker related that he would also recommend that the
lot one parking lot line up with Evans Drive.
Mr. Robinson related that he did not think that would be a problem.
In response to a question from Commissioner Young, Mr. Robinson
related that he was not sure regarding access plans onto the site.
City Engineer Whisker related that the access is proposed to come in
off Evans Drive from John Harden. He clarified that Evans Drive is
the first left turn, north of the Pine Meadows Trailer Park. He
related that the access would be an extension of Evans Drive at the
90-degree turn before entering into the Max Howell complex.
Vice Chairman Perry invited comment from the audience.
Mr. Emerson Smith related that he is the owner of the Tall Pines RV
Park located on the corner of Evans Drive and John Harden Drive. He
stated that the project is being referred to as Evans Road, adding
that City record refers to the street as Drive not Road. He related
that concerns were mentioned at the previous meeting regarding the
pump station capacity and that Mr. Bond had made a presentation saying
that the water situation and the sewer system was up to speed and that
there are no problems. He referred to the letter from the Wastewater
Utility and said that the letter indicates that the same problems that
existed two years ago still exist. He explained that the storm water
run-off causes the sewer line to overflow. He stated that he can
speak very emphatically about the situation at the Tall Pines RV Park,
saying that there are situations where the manhole covers have floated
up and raw sewage has spread over the RV Park grounds. He related
that he had one customer so upset when this happened that she moved
from the Park. He stated that he and the Wastewater Department still
recognize it as being a problem. He went on to say that the overflow
of manholes is important because an overflow must be reported to the
EPA, adding that hopefully it is a situation that the City will make
investments to correct. He related that he stood before the
Commission two years ago regarding a rezoning change for the same
property and that at that time the proposal was to rezone the property
from R-0 to R-4. He then related that it is now his understanding
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that the property is actually zoned R-3, requesting that the record be
changed to reflect the correct zoning. He stated that the approval of
this project would have significant environmental impact, noting that
all vegetation would have to be removed. He related that the property
is low land, and that when Evans Road was built dirt had to be brought
in to construct the street. He stated that the water flows from Max
Howell and Pine Meadows down Evans Drive into the proposed area and
that the area resembles a wetlands especially during the spring rains.
He related that he assumes it would take significant truckloads of
dirt to bring the low-lying ground up to road surface level regarding
construction. He added that this would not only affect the trees, but
have a negative impact on the community life by creating a concrete
jungle. He stated his deep concern for raising the property elevation
because it would cause his property to have additional water run-off.
He added that he would not want any action by the Planning Commission
to have a negative impact regarding the value of his property. He
asked that the Commission consider what would happen to the water once
the dirt is brought in and the apartments are constructed.
City Engineer Whisker related that manholes are usually built to flood
elevation and Mr. Smith added that there are no manholes in that area.
Mr. Smith asked that the Commission have someone look into the
standing water situation. He stated that questions were raised at the
last meeting regarding the parking, mentioning a letter written by
City Engineer Whisker saying that the parking is not to City Code.
City Engineer Whisker stated that the Code requirement is 1.5 parking
spaces per unit.
Mr. Smith stated that it is ironic that the City Code is 1.5 spaces
per unit because Max Howell has three spaces per unit, and newer
complexes on an average have two spaces per unit. He suggested that
the City consider adjusting the parking space requirement. He then
stated that parking would be very important for this project because
of the inadequate road surface regarding overflow parking. He then
explained safety issues regarding parking on Evans Drive with the 90-
degree turn in the road. He additionally related concerns regarding
the parking design being up to the easement line, which would allow
the front of cars to be over the easement when parked. He stated that
the project as presented is “humanity on top of humanity” and that the
density of the project compared to Max Howell is 24 units to 8 units,
making for a 200% increase in population density for this project. He
then stated that the project could be a classic case of a civil rights
discrimination, saying it appears that it may be appealing to the low
income. He explained that it is a situation where low-income housing
already exist and that cities today are being subject to their
Planning Commissions being reviewed for signs or patterns of
discrimination against the poor and low class. He then related that
because of the location of the project it is also a situation that
makes it isolated from the general public. He stated that “in other
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words it is going to be behind some woods, between a mobile home park
and a housing project.” He asked that the Commission consider a less
dense project, with more adequate parking and investigate any negative
impact.
Mr. Tommy Bond pointed out that this proposal is the third project to
be brought before the Commission regarding this property. He stated
that a mobile home park, and a single-family residence were rejected
previously. He related that this is the second time this proposal for
the apartment complex has been presented, adding that it generally
complies with all of the City’s regulations, and is already zoned R-3.
Commissioner Dollar asked Mr. Smith if she understood his five major
concerns to be water run-off, sewer capacity, safety, parking, and
ghettoizing.
Mr. Smith stated that it might be a classic case of discrimination
against the City because of the already low income housing in the
area. He added that it has the potential of being discrimination
against the poor regarding congregating of low-income people in one
area and also because of the design being isolating from the general
public. He stated that it would be subjecting people to a lower
standard, which is against the law.
Vice Chairman Perry invited a representative from the Jacksonville
Wastewater Utility to address the Commission.
Wastewater Engineering and Construction Manager Bob Williams referred
to the letter provided to the Commission, saying that on assessment
conditions of the area pump station have not changed and are not
likely to change in the near future. He stated that there are
overflows in that area under wet weather conditions and have been for
some while. He related that currently the Wastewater Utility is in
the process of rehabilitating the sewer lines of the entire City,
pointing out that a major rehabilitation was just completed between
Quince Hill and Commons Drive. He added that efforts will continue
until the inflow and infiltration is reduced to an acceptable level.
In response to a question from Commissioner Keaton, Mr. Williams
stated that there is adequate capacity in dry weather conditions
regarding the Northeast pump station, but not under wet weather
conditions, which is evident by the overflow of manholes. He stated
that he did not think the project would adversely affect the system in
dry weather, adding that it is not going to help in wet weather.
In response to a question from Commissioner Piggee, Mr. Williams
related that the problem is not with drainage, but the inflow and
infiltration. He pointed out that most of the problems in the area is
with infiltration, saying that manholes are at or above flood
elevation. He then stated that there could be some inflow problems
not identified at this time.
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City Attorney Bamburg addressed concerns regarding discrimination,
saying that the proposed development meets Code requirements, adding
that in the discrimination cases he has observed there has to be
factors regarding specific placement of low income housing or code
variations that are of record. He stated that in this circumstance,
if he understands Mr. Robinson’s presentation, the proposed project is
not proposed to be HUD housing. He related that low income does not
necessarily have to be HUD housing, but is usually a very common
factor for a discrimination action.
It was noted that the average costs of an apartment has not yet been
determined.
Ms. Stacy Gangluff, manager of Pine Meadow Mobile Home Park addressed
the Commission mentioning previous concerns when Mr. Dick Jones
developed a subdivision in the immediate area. She related that she
and other residents of the Pine Meadows Park are concerned about the
drainage, adding that some lots toward the proposed development area
are prone to be wet areas. She stated that another concern is fencing
and safety traffic issues since the construction of the Wal-Mart
Supercenter. She related that there is a tremendous amount of traffic
in the area.
Mrs. Diana Smith addressed the Commission stating her concerns
regarding the children of the apartment complex, saying that they
might venture into the woods with no planned play area. She went on
to say that this would create additional liability for the surrounding
property owners. She requested that the engineers go to the site and
investigate the continuous standing water in wet weather. She stated
that there is no storm drainage system in the area, and no curbing so
the water runs down the road and settles onto their property. She
related that during heavy rains their property fills with overflow
from the manholes, adding that it is very important that these issues
be addressed.
In response to a question from Commissioner Young, Mr. Bond stated
that a dumpster location has not been discussed. He pointed out that
typically in smaller developments there is not a dumpster, only in
larger developments with 100 plus units.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Keaton, Mr. Bond
responded that a storm retention plan would be required. He explained
that the retention pond would probably be north of the site. He
explained that Evans Drive turns and goes back west, mentioning the
intersection, saying that the main drain is 600 feet north of the
intersection and runs through the church property to Hwy 67. He
stated that any retention plans would have to be placed in that area
and then related that the parcel is approximately 18 to 21 acres
extending to Quince Hill Road. He explained that a previous
development request had proposed access from Quince Hill Road. He
then responded that construction for a fence would not be a problem.
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Commissioner Young commented that he does not believe the layout meets
Code requirements regarding setbacks. He related that he is concerned
about the drive and the parking location, saying that he does not feel
the design works very well regarding safety of pedestrian traffic. He
suggested that the drive be placed on the outside of the lot and
questioned plans regarding green spaces. He stated that he feels that
the design is a tight layout for a maximum number of units.
Commissioner Dollar expressed concerns that there are no provisions
for a recreational area, which she stated originally made her wonder
if the development was being proposed as senior citizen housing. She
also voiced concerns for a “tightly packed” development.
Commissioner Piggee stated that he does not feel enough evidence has
been offer to combat drainage concerns, so that he could feel
comfortable voting to pass a development in this particular area.
There were no additional comments and a motion was not forthcoming.
Vice Chairman Perry stated that the item of business fails for lack of
a motion.
REQUEST TO APPROVE PLAT(S): a. REPLAT Keathley Commercial
Subdivision/ Lots 6 & 7
Representative Tommy Bond related that petitioner Mr. Mike Kirkpatrick
owns the Sands Motel, which fronts the old South Hwy, saying that he
has acquired two additional lots to the rear and wants to tear down
the existing Sands Motel and build a new facility to the rear of lots
6 & 7. He stated that there are recorded easements on lots 6 & 7 so
Mr. Kirkpatrick wants to replat the lots and include the front parcel
that is not presently in the Keathley Subdivision, making it one large
lot that will allow him to build a new motel. He pointed out that if
the replat is approved, a site plan for the new facility on the
combined lot would be forthcoming.
Commissioner Lester moved, seconded by Commissioner Dollar to approve
the Replat of Lots 6 & 7 of the Keathley Subdivision.
Discussion ensued and City Engineer Whisker related that the front
portion of the motel facing Hwy 161 would be torn down completely.
At this time MOTION CARRIED.
b. SKETCH PLAT Holland Homes Manufactured Housing Park
Representative Tommy Bond related that the area was rezoned six months
ago, adding that the sketch plat is being presented for comment. He
stated that there will be no public streets in the development and
that it would be privately owned and maintained with the exception of
water and sewer. He related that all of the lots would be rental, and
that it would be as nice as the one at the Bryant County line, an
upscale manufactured mobile home park that will be maintained, policed
and kept in good order.
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He noted that the park would be phased in over a period of five to ten
years, staring with 100 to 120 units for the first phase and then as
it becomes successful additional phases would be presented. He
related that the development would attract retired people, adding that
it seems to be a life style that some people like.
Commissioner Dollar stated that she has viewed developments of this
nature in Birmingham Alabama, saying that it is very nice. She
related that it had a wooded area with a pond and playground area.
She asked Mr. Bond if a playground area was planned.
Mr. Bond stated that there are two areas planned for playgrounds,
saying that one area would be located by the manager’s office, which
would be constructed first. He stated that plans are to have a mix of
older residents who might want to live in an area that has children
and areas for residents without children.
Commissioner Keaton questioned what standards would be adopted by the
Park, and Mr. Bond responded that no home over five years old would be
allowed to move into the Park. He related that Mr. Kirkpatrick would
manage the Park, relating that all homes will be strictly maintained.
He stated that since the lots are rental, any resident that does not
maintain standards will be asked to move. He stated that the manager
would handle all maintenance other than the physical buildings. He
related that lot upkeep would be held to strict standards, regarding
grass mowing, and plantings. He pointed out that the mini warehouse
offers storage so there will not be any wrecked cars or junk in the
yards.
Discussion ensued regarding modular and manufactured homes and Mr.
Bond related that this would be manufactured, saying that manufactured
homes of today have pitched roofs with vinyl siding as opposed to the
older style metal roof and siding. It was noted that all units would
be under pinned and possibly the tongues would be removed.
Commissioner Keaton related that one item of concern would be the area
east and northeast of the property that may be used for hunting,
questioning if there are any provisions to keep residents from
mistakenly wandering off the property and onto the other.
Mr. Bond stated that there would be a fence, adding that there is a
buffer strip between that area and the park. He then answered that
they anticipate the walking trail to be asphalt paved with some
lighting, similar to the one in Dupree Park.
In response to a question posed by Commissioner Young, Mr. Bond
related that the Railroad has between 100 and 150 feet of right-of-
way, adding that the main part of the Railroad has been cut with the
exception on the far north end and then it comes out of the cut.
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Discussion ensued regarding consideration for a green space between
the development and the railroad tracks, Mr. Bond related that a fence
is proposed to prevent children from being able to get to the tracks,
adding that the area also has a tree line between the tracks and the
development. He then stated that on the side of the tracks there is
an additional barrier of 80 to 100 feet owned by the Railroad that is
grown up, but had been used to load timber and grain. He stated that
it is approximately 100 feet between the normal right-of-way and the
additional parcel of ground to where the development starts.
Discussion then ensued regarding the recent train derailment and a
safe distance for the development. Mr. Bond related that the railway
car actually fell over because the track failed, explaining that it
just leaned over and dumped its load. It was also noted that the
development meets all density codes.
Commissioner Keaton moved, seconded by Commissioner Lester to approve
the Sketch Plat of Holland Homes Manufactured Housing Park as
presented.
Discussion ensued regarding sidewalk recommendations and Mr. Bond
explained that there would be sidewalks inside the development and
possible out to Loop Road.
Mr. Kirkpatrick added that it would be rather difficult to place
sidewalks that would tie into the City Master Sidewalk Plan because
the development will be gated to provide security for the children.
Mr. Bond stated that he believes there is sufficient room for a
sidewalk along the entrance road into the development. He explained
that there is a large open space of approximately 600 feet in front of
the development that will serve as a landscaped entrance into the
development.
Discussion ensued regarding green space between the development and
the railroad tracks and Mr. Bond related that there is currently a lot
of green space that belongs both to the development and the Railroad,
and an earthen ridge to help address factors regarding sound.
At this time MOTION CARRIED.
ADJOURNMENT:
Acting Chairman Perry without objection adjourned the meeting at
approximately 8:40 p.m.
Respectfully,
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Susan L. Davitt
Planning Commission Secretary
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